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Last Post 05 Jul 2008 9:34 AM by pepe. 6 Replies.
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28 Jun 2008 10:30 AM
    There is this fallacy that says you should learn as much about poker as you can. Read what the pros say and do it. The problem is that most donkeys like me read to far ahead, without actually learning the the foundations of good poker play. This approach has disastrous results in Martial Arts. For example a new student trying a double spin jumping heel kick. Broken bones are the result. Thus most if not all Martial Arts students simply don't try that move till they have mastered much more fundamental moves.

    In poker, trying to bluff out of position, with a nonsensical bet amount, with re-raise action is a hard move to pull off. But that move and many others that are covered in chapters 20, 34 and 50 of poker theory are regularly tried by new students of poker, with little consequence to them. What the heck, there is always another freeroll around the corner they think.

    I myself am very guilty of this. And I hope I can get back to BASICS of poker theory and not try fancy stuff till I have actually mastered the underlying principles of good poker play. Attention to the details as it were. Theodore Roosevelt, 26th U.S. President, said "We cannot do great deeds unless we're willing to do the small things that make up the sum of greatness."

    So folks.....help this poker donkey out. What are the fundamentals of POKER? What is the foundation of good play? What are the details that make a good foundation in poker? What should I learn and master first?? IE; Position, Card Values, Bluffing, Percentages?
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    28 Jun 2008 2:43 PM

    True enough..you can learn all you want, but obviously each hand is different. My belief is that EXPERIENCE is the best teacher.  Start out by simplifying.....try to play with mostly good hands and play tight....feel everyone out...this takes lots of PATIENCE...cuz you wanna play!  Then, you can start to play some so-so hands but carefully watch percentages..Percentages is very important thing to know, BUT, sometimes that means diddily squat too....I find if I'm on a roll the flushes, straights, etc come out all in the same night.....gotta make ya wonder...is it mostly luck?   I think a little of both....and you have to know how to bluff when the time is right.  Check out our Forum on Tips, Tactics & Strategies...there's some good info there!

    Best of luck to you at the tables!  Hope to see you in one of our next tournies!

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    28 Jun 2008 2:47 PM

    to many books out there only serve to confuse the novice.as fun says experience is the best teacher.find your style of play first then read up on how to play that style.

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    29 Jun 2008 9:25 AM

    I fully agree that many new players try to do too much too soon.  They want to make the fancy plays right away, so they start doing so without building a solid game as a foundation.  It's easy to fall into this trap since plays do work fairly often - an obvious example being the big all-in overbet bluff. 

    I don't blame the availability of lots of books, videos, etc.  It's the players themselves.  They're intelligent people, but don't or won't look at their game objectively enough. 

     

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    05 Jul 2008 7:14 AM

    Hi,

    I think there's no problem in reading books when you are starting, but off course only when you join that with some experience you will be more successfull.

    I think that's a cicle of learning, you read, you try, you analyze...imo it's the best aproach!

    I usually do more of the trying and less the analyzing but shouldn't be that way.

    A good aproach is also go back to books you read after a period of playing to ciment the concepts and easially fit the concepts in your game.

    Last but not least, watching poker it's a great way to learn, and off course all the sites that provide video learning have a lot of customers and success!

    It's up to each one of us to find the best balance for ourselfs!

    Good luck at the tables!

    freitich

     

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    05 Jul 2008 8:56 AM

    yea......i have win three books at cardoza poker and they are stupid is better at fun play

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    05 Jul 2008 9:34 AM

    so nothing interesting in these books? i would like to have him too to take a look

     

    maybe who knows

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