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02 Dec 2008 6:16 AM  

I run a league with 4 preliminary rounds, that end in a season final.

Would it be possible to add a feature that awards 0 points to the players that did NOT attend a game round. I need every round to count for all players.

I.E. after importing the results from TD2, have a check button or something that says "award 0 points to rest of league"
To get my average score calculated correctly I need to award 0 to ppl not attending, or else they're average score will be higher than the rest.
Say that you attend 4 games, and score a 80 average, but one guy attends only 1 game and scores 95, then his average will also be 95.. kinda unfair :D

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03 Dec 2008 7:45 AM  

Hey Spike,

I hope that Rod will reply you as soon as possible.

Otherwise, you can always contact him by PM or let him a message in his profil wall.

 

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03 Dec 2008 7:52 AM  
Posted By loujine on 03 Dec 2008 2:45 AM

Hey Spike,

I hope that Rod will reply you as soon as possible.

Otherwise, you can always contact him by PM or let him a message in his profil wall.

 

Thanks.

Rod is aware of it.. I took this on PM with him first, but he wanted me to post on the forum for dicussion and others views on the matter

 

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03 Dec 2008 12:08 PM  

Thanks Lou.

Ok, so assuming it was that simple, assigning all other players with 0 points  for that game - would that affect the statistics?

For example, (technical stuff) - the profile score views etc would take into account all those games of 0 points and it would look like those players actually participated in the games (they would appear in the Games view with a score of 0.

I am trying to think of ways around this , lets take a step back-

Ok, so I re-read your post - basically, the average is exactly that, the average (points won over games played). Hence currently I think it is 100% correct.

Perhaps this is just a UI issue then - you want a quick way of adding players to a game with a score of 0 (they did not really play the game, and did not win 0 points, BUT you want to say they played x (4 in this example) games.

So... there could be 3 ways around this (I need to sleep on this and think on it more):

1) A new scoring method which does NOT average over num games, it averages over the maximum amount of games a player has played in a league and would be the same for all users (essentially giving the /4 average but without having to record them as played 4). So those playes would still have
"Games Played = 3" but their average would be Points Won / Num Games in Season

2) A UI change that adds all the other players to the current game with a score of 0 (I could be more inventive here - perhaps an "Add All League Players" button is needed anyway if all your members play each game anyway - easier than selecting each time. I could then add a Default Points value for a Season (so this would be 0) and they would all be added as 0 and you update the people who did actually play. So this adds a bit of value and flexibility and would solve the issue (even though those players would show up as playing when techincally they didn't (this is what is bugging me

3) Would the "Top X Games" for a season work? So you have a "Score the top x games" at Season level and the league would use this value for your average. I am not sure if this would work in this example:

Score Top 5. Player 1 has played 6 and Player 2 has played 3. It's the same issues again, unless it divided by 5 for both of them...

It's very late here so hopefully I'll dream about the solution - let me know your thoughts

thanks,
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03 Dec 2008 12:12 PM  

I just had another thought - wh ycan you not just make this season Total Points instead of Average Points? Does this not have the same affect (ie. if they don't play it's like they are getting 0?)

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03 Dec 2008 1:00 PM  
It's something like your point 1 I'm after..
Making the average score per season be calculated from the Total number of games in the season, and not from the # games played.
I.E. Season average.
Posted By Rodders on 03 Dec 2008 7:12 AM

I just had another thought - wh ycan you not just make this season Total Points instead of Average Points? Does this not have the same affect (ie. if they don't play it's like they are getting 0?)


About this one.. I have no clue LOL.. I Suck at math, that's why i like things to do all the calculations for me hehehe. You might be right for all i know :D

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03 Dec 2008 9:33 PM  
Well, the way I see it is that an Average is only useful IF the number of games played - if you dividing my a constant than you may as well remove the constant as all scores would be in the same ratio to each other.

So I would try this - make the Prelim Season a new Season and make the Point system based on Total Points. This will make it irrelevant how many games people have played (as long as you assign at least 1 for participating so they get 1 instead of effectively 0 for not playing). Then you make you main season based on Average Points.

If this works, that saves me a lot of work - if not, let me know why and we can try fix it...
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27 Jan 2009 8:39 PM  

Rodders: You were absolutely right.

With the scoring formula I use for eache round, the total points reflects the average of rounds held ( season average).

The average on our scoreboard shows each players personal average based on number of games played, not the season average.

So.. ignore my request.. unless you still want to add a season average column.

 

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28 Jan 2009 9:02 PM  
Great, glad it worked! I am working on some new reporting features for the league soon which I'll be asking your opinion on
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